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20/20 - Stupid in America

February 15, 2007


Marty (guest)  -  February 15, 2007, 18:49
It's amazing that a country that's the frontrunner in so many fields can't provide education for their kids. I feel really sorry for those children. PS that union-lady really scared me DS
m (guest)  -  February 15, 2007, 19:47
I'm kind of afraid of the US :/
Joey (guest)  -  February 15, 2007, 22:12
That was truly scaring. I live in the south of america (like hillbillies) and I was already disgusted with public education, but this just adds a whole new twist to my fear. It's a little biased, as most of the facts are southern states, but I bet it holds true to many schools in the United States. The logic at the end is true. Think colleges. They have to fight amongst each other in order to get people's money. Why couldn't it work for public schools?
ALUCARD  -  February 15, 2007, 22:29
ALUCARD  -  February 15, 2007, 22:29
thats informing.
Keisari_P  -  February 15, 2007, 22:30
I recomend watching this document. By the way, Finland was the 1st on that international test.
OGrilla  -  February 16, 2007, 04:42
I've been to many schools here in America and I know how true this is. We're losing so much freedom and we're all either oblivious or in denial. It saddens me to think that I will have to send my child to a school of which I have no choice to send him or not. I doubt I will be able to home school him, which is what I've always planned on doing for my child. Videos like this show you just how far we haven't come in this "great land or prosperity".
Dustin (guest)  -  February 16, 2007, 05:59
wow, the problem is really bad...the system where they attach the money to the students would work perfectly. Assuming of cource that the teachers don't strike. So really the government has locked itself into a unique situation and i think the best way to get out of it would be to encourage more schools like the one shown at the end their, and give them more money
Over_DoWzE  -  February 16, 2007, 06:53
Nice! That's the most informing and intelligent video on youtube and google video I ever seen!
pre  -  February 16, 2007, 07:00
the problem is the biggest state-religion is being taught in american schools. it is called evolution. if people would only stop believing they are animals, with no moral code, there would be an improvement. --- "Study to show thyself approved of God." 2 Timothy 2:15 --- and concerning evolution --- "O Timothy, keep that which is committed to thy trust, avoiding profane and vain babblings, and oppositions of science falsely so called:" 1 Timothy 6:20 --- Jesus loves you. We are all sinners. (I'm right there along side you) But God said! --- John 14:6 "Jesus answered, I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me" Absolute truth is out there folks. It is our responsibility to find it, we all have free will. God didn't make us brain dead zombies. Love you.
Over_DoWzE  -  February 16, 2007, 07:09
pre I like you and 100% agree with what you say :) Jesus Is my way! ^^
Joey (guest)  -  February 16, 2007, 08:28
Pre, although I respect your opinion, you're not even close. Thinking we evolved from animals or we were created by a divine being isn't the issue. It's the greed. It has been and always will be the greed. I attended Catholic private school, and it was the worst school ever. I was filled with brain-washing faith and utterly useless propaganda. No, the real problem is the greed. When you have teachers who haver perfect job security and can just get paid for biding time, you have a pretty sweet job. Having faith in any religion means nothing in this case.
pre  -  February 16, 2007, 08:34
joey, I see your point. There does need to be more accountability for performance of the teachers.
costre  -  February 16, 2007, 12:49
All this is so true .. and the reason is as follows:
- (guest)  -  February 16, 2007, 19:50
Yes. The lack of God is obviously the problem. Finnish students that were ranked #1 on that test don't even have religion being taught in their schools, unless the students choose the subject. Shouldn't those godless heathen bastards rank around #160 by your logic?
Hawkeye (guest)  -  February 17, 2007, 05:45
Pre Although I don't respect your opinion, you’re still not even close. Evolution is being taught in American schools because it is a science, just like any other. We "believe" in evolution in exactly the same way we believe in chemistry, physics, and astronomy: Furthermore, whether you like it or not, you ARE an animal. Specifically, you are a vertebrate, mammalian, primate, from the species homo sapien. Yet, I still find myself agreeing with you on some points. If evolution were a religion, (which it isn’t) then of course it shouldn’t be taught in public schools. I’m sure you would agree, religion and prayer have no place in school. You also say that God didn’t make us brain dead zombies; which is true, because God didn’t make us anything.
Tomas (guest)  -  February 17, 2007, 09:05
In our coutry(lithuania) before you go to shool we already now how to read. I can`t understand how stupid they are... We get smt like100$ per year for each student. And our level is much higher .. i don`t think that you`ll be able to find such a stupid child...
Keith (guest)  -  February 18, 2007, 00:58
My business teacher showed me this as an example of why vouchers for corporate spending or so who woulda thought we did so badly on international tests... but the thing I find so interesting here is that even though those countries have such excellent education properties, when the kids graduate and eventually become such great scientific minds, they all move to the united states because they can't do anything with it where they come from =P hence allowing our country to fail our children, while we still have some of the best minds in the world working for us. lol @ pre man you still trying to impliment religion into everything you see? give it up dude this is the internet, god has no place within these walls!
Eivind (guest)  -  February 18, 2007, 17:53
Schools in Norway are very good, basically because the schools focus more on the important classes, and support students who have been sick or missed out on some classes due to some other reason. And the teachers give you their phone number if you need help with something. I think the average school in Norway would be at the same level as the best schools in USA. The students who have dyslexia get a computer for free so they can catch up with the rest of the class so they can learn just as much as everybody else. And the teachers here does not exactly make the lessons fun or anything, but they're strict, and they do their job the way it's supposed to be done. As a proof that Norwegian schools are better, check my typing, I'm 15 years old, I have two english lessons a week, and that's it. I'm pretty sure that I can spell any word just as good as any student at those crappy public schools.
woot? (guest)  -  February 18, 2007, 23:52
is it really that bad?
Brody  -  February 19, 2007, 00:17
Makes my blood boil....This was the reason we moved to a different city
aero  -  February 19, 2007, 18:35
Well, listening to someone like Pre kind of confirms everything said in the clip. On top of all you want the schools to teach intelligent design to the already stupid kids. Jeez...
Keisari_P  -  February 19, 2007, 21:22
Don't worry aero. They propably don't learn any theories in their schools anyway. So it wouldn't be so big deal if they would teach ID nonsense.
Dexter (guest)  -  February 20, 2007, 00:58
This is one scary vid... Im glad im swedish where we have a good school and the freedom to choose where you want to study.. America is supposed to be the land of the free but in so many ways isn't. They need to radically change their system screw the union since they arent helping the kids.. And a short comment to Pre should Islam be tought to the american schools aswell or only the word of christ? What about the Buddihst kids and satanic for that matter.. Untill religion can be used as a science it has no room in a school and that will never happen aslong as religion is based on a book never chaning. I really hope for the sake of the future kids in america that the system changes soon otherwise some random undeveloped African country will beat yall on the SAT's Well cheers and BIG thanks for this vid!
navysealltblue  -  February 20, 2007, 07:02
I don't think the ideas presented are the only solution. I feel as though it was very biased and slanted towards the particular point of view. I personally attend a public high school. We are just barely ranked top 33% of public schools in the state. I take full advantage of my school and work my butt off. There are kids that don't try and don't care. They do poorly. A lot of it comes down to the fact that kids in other places value thier education more than we do. That is a huge factor in it all too. As for the smart kids in NJ school verses the kids in the netherlands... That's pathetic... Those kids didn't even take guesses. I am the same level as them and I would have far surpassed them. The people that they chose for the program could have been slanted to give the media the edge to thier story. A lot of this is slant.
pre  -  February 21, 2007, 10:10
Dexter said "Untill religion can be used as a science it has no room in a school and that will never happen aslong as religion is based on a book never chaning" your absolutely right about one part, the Bible is never changing. No fault has or can be found in it. Archaeology, genealogy, family life, philosophy are all flawless in the Bible. You state until religion becomes science it will never be in school. Religion will never be science, however evolution will never be science either, and it constantly changes. Yeah yeah people say that is because it is just a theory, but the sort of changes we see with evolution is just changes to the theory inorder for their to be the same out come. No matter what major decision you make in life, it will differ based on two things. 1. God made man. 2. Nothing made man. Man evolved from .... Know one knows. I know I am vastly out numbered at this website. My only purpose here is to hopefully bring truth into someones life. There ARE absolutes, right and wrong.
pre  -  February 21, 2007, 10:11
* No one knows (correction)
blindgaenger  -  February 21, 2007, 11:23
i remember myself drinking beer and playing tekken at school after my final exam...
therealanswer (guest)  -  February 21, 2007, 18:44
The ruling class (and upper middle-class to some extent) has no interest in effectively educating the masses. Compare this educational experience with what a student would get if he was enrolled at a prestigious prep school or even a good public school in a richer area. America is the land of opportunity, but it's distributed unevently to the privileged and leave the rest to fend for themselves.
Mike (guest)  -  February 22, 2007, 04:02
I love how they showed all inner city schools with kids standing on the desks and shooting dice. You can get a good education at any school, you just have to put your mind to it. That dancing kid was just trying to be funny and the monopoly was after finals. Just because it might be harder to get a good education at a US school dosent make it impossible, and some kids are just too immature to understand that they are getting a free education. (Also in the US everyone must get an education, even the kids who dont want it. In many nations the non gifted would just work)
aero  -  February 22, 2007, 20:43
"No fault has or can be found in it [the Bible]". Who has you been listening to? Kent Hovind? The Bible might be flawless for you and your alike but for the rest of the world there are other truths. How can you say that your truth is the only, correct one? Are ALL other religions and atheists wrong? You Christians are so arrogant. By the way: evolution is based upon science. Religion and ID is based upon a fairytale that you are too arrogant (or stupid?) to admit being made up. Your only argument is that it is true because it's in the book - some argument...
nuke21  -  February 23, 2007, 01:04
Very, VERY, VERY interesting. Glad I watched it!
pre  -  February 23, 2007, 05:39
I will never call anyone stupid, arrogant, or any other name. I'm not perfect, far from it. aero said "an you say that your truth is the only, correct one?" Yes.
pre  -  February 23, 2007, 05:40
But it is not "mine". It is for anyone who chooses to believe.
Azor (guest)  -  February 23, 2007, 10:22
It's interesting that in a country that is considered the champion of free market economy, there isn't competition in the field of education. Hopefully this issue will be solved in the near future. I don't believe these kids are stupid, the system is stupid.
aero  -  February 23, 2007, 11:58
Well pre, "yes" is not a correct answer on that question ("How can...") but a common answer from you and your alike. I'm not perfect either and I see no problems in calling you arrogant; your answer proves it.
Zealiot  -  February 23, 2007, 19:51
Dear Pre. Do you remember this? Here you go.. 29 Solid evidence for Macroevolution - Until you can get some solid EVIDENCE, not some qoutes out of a book that was edited during the middleages then please keep quiet. Sorry if you find this someone offensive but this is far from the first time we had this conversation.
Zealiot  -  February 23, 2007, 19:53
Very intressting video by the way
Jay (guest)  -  February 24, 2007, 00:11
Good movie but I'm not sure that ideas that are defended are the best to solve all the problems. The way that parents think that schools have to do everything is pretty frightening. And I'm not sure that competition would be the panacea : it would be an another reason to make the children cheated to the test for example. And what else, firing 50% of the teaching staff? A company like Toshiba is as good as GE without firing 10% of its employees. I think it could be a solution but it won't be THE unique thing to do. (sorry for my english)
Hasan  -  February 24, 2007, 15:57
its a goddamn advertisement for sylvan learning centre, the report was targeted to american parents to send their kids to paid education, not to show the world how stupid america is, and if none of you could see that, then maybe you shouldn't worry about the U.S. education system.
Fish (guest)  -  February 25, 2007, 07:03
Zealiot: "Many people of Christian and other faiths accept evolution as the scientific explanation for biodiversity" That was a quote from the page you linked... So there is no reason to be angry on Pre.
pre  -  February 25, 2007, 07:11
Hi Fish, that site zealiot linked has too much bad information to even address. That statement in itself violates the law of noncontradiction. If someone claims to be a Christian and believe in evolution, the quite obviously believe neither.
pre  -  February 25, 2007, 07:12
correction: *they quite obviously believe neither.
Zealiot  -  February 25, 2007, 16:15
Hi Fish, yeah I'm fully aware of that and I have nothing against that. However the reason I'm abit irritated, not angry :) with Pre is cause we had this debate serval times before with alot of other people involved, regarding if Evolution is science or not and everytime it ends the same way, which is that people bring up alot of evidence proving that Evolution is science but Pre never answer and a few days later you see the same thing allover but in another video comment. Also known as Ignorance or Denial, sorry
Fred (guest)  -  February 28, 2007, 06:15
Don't believe John Stossel! He's not a reporter, he's an idealogue. If you share his ideology, fine. But don't confuse his productions with factual reporting. They are not.
Monkey (guest)  -  March 2, 2007, 01:25
Fuck Church!!!
Moron (guest)  -  March 5, 2007, 07:46
Tell me how religiong will help American Children/Teens Better there grades? What business does religiong have in any school. Get over it Quit talking about religion and school. They are both completely different. And with all this Trying to be smart comments it only made me think Yes the problem is bad. So leave your gods and whatever out of this. Its sad really. PS Let the inevitable flames begin. Thanks to the Internet anonimity.
Moron (guest)  -  March 5, 2007, 07:47
Note the typos. And bad grammer in the Flames.
kobe6661  -  March 6, 2007, 00:25
What has religion to do with "good" education? There are many religious people who have learned to tolerate atheists cause Christian religion is about tolerance. If you'd have more competition between religious schools and non-religious schools there would be not only better atheist schools: there would als be better religious schools. That's the bottom line.
Pimthegreat (guest)  -  March 6, 2007, 00:30
OMFG!!! and people on the web agree this is how it actually is in the u.s!? Well i'll asume that beacuse this was a onesided argumentation the problem can't realu be this big, or can it? i'm from sweden so don't realy know how it works, more than what i've picked up from documentarys. ( Oh an btw handpicking stupid coments from your opponents doesn't mean that bouth sides have had a say in any argument.) Meaning I also partly agree with HASAN this had a great bit of advertisement in it, neitherless it had a lot of comon sense and was worth a thought. For al the religious comments: well at least its great if you don't want to do the thinking yourself. just do what the bible and the priests says.
Vilxan  -  March 11, 2007, 23:32
Pre, I understand your point, and I respect your opinion, but what you are saying is very offensive to those who are not christians. I am not offended by your comments, but you are saying that if kids learn better because they have more knowledge of the christian god, then all other religions are not right. I am a buddhist, and my scores in school were not effected whatsoever by my religion. I fail to understand why you think that if they were better christians, they'd be more clever. That is basically saying, if you are any other religion, you are stupid, which is certainly not true. Like someone said earlier, Finland got the highest score, and they do not even teach religion in their schools. I think it is a good idea to have religions taught in schools, but keep in mind that people may be offended, as there are other people from other religions who weren't taught religion, who are some of the smartest people in the world. As for the whole US education system, I think it is like that. I live in Britain, and comprehensive schools are a living nightmare. There are constant stabbings going on, I have met teachers who have had things stolen, even a few have been assaulted, and mostly, the students fail, all due to this whole idea of "the kids are the teachers". I find that kids notice they have power, and just mess about all lessons, and don't learn a damn thing. from what it seems like, those kids in that class that took the test looked like they couldn't care less about the test, and they generally mess around all lessons. Awhile ago, if any kid did that sort of thing, instead of being threatened for a detention, which will never actually come, they would be hit with a cane, and that taught them to shut up. I think that the teachers have no power, the children have the power, and that way, the teachers can't teach, and the kid's that want to learn, can't. I'm not saying the way to reduce bad behaviour is to bring back the cane, the teacher just needs more power in the classroom. That's certainly the case in Britain. I've said what I think. As always at the end of my posts', I will say the usual thing. I would like to hear people's comments on my views, but as always, please do not express them with anger. I consider if people reply saying "fuck you you bastard" they haven't got any intelligance. Comments appreciated.
wezzy (guest)  -  March 12, 2007, 18:36
I feel really sorry for the kids in the U.S. if it really is like this in the public schools. And to the argument about God. I am a Swedish christian and I don't deny that there is micro-evolution. But that doesn't mean I don't believe in the Bible and in Adam & Eve. I believe that the Bible is the truth. That doesn't mean that I don't respect other opinions and like Vilxan said I don't believe it makes such a big difference on the result in school for me, even if my faith has helped me in school too. To have religion taught in school is for me not a bad thing, but it should never be forced upon somebody (then it's not believing and that is never good). Where I went to school we read about different religions to know what it was and that's it. Then there was a (still is) a christian group on the school formed and run by student who has different events in the school. Not forcing anyone though (that's important to notice)
b (guest)  -  March 27, 2007, 05:30
Sorry state of affairs when a documentary trying to dispel some of the idiocy and failure is so foolish as to state "but competition makes everything better" as if it is true in all cases. America needs to raise the general standards of debate and public discourse or the idiots will 'win'.
b (guest)  -  March 27, 2007, 05:34
Also framing this as a religious debate is pretty far off centre...God is hugely unlikely to provide specifics on comparitive methods of running an organisational school system whether you believe in him or not
rlkelm  -  March 27, 2007, 07:42
Actually, the bible recorded God's instructions for education very simply. Education is a lifelong family responsibility. (Deuteronomy 6:) Parents were to teach the children at home. Both Israelite males and females could read and write from an early age. We are grandparents who are homeschooling our 7 year old grandson. He is spending 2 to 3 hours a day "in school". He has been diagnosed with severe ADHD, a learning disability. However, recent testing shows that he is placing 2 full grade levels higher than the children in public schools. We have the K-12 program here also which helps home school families with curriculum guides and materials if they need it. We would never have sent our children to public school if we could taught them at home. I hope parents realize what is happening to their kids in school before they lose them.
rlkelm  -  March 27, 2007, 07:49
Actually, the bible recorded God's instructions for education very simply. Education is a lifelong family responsibility. (Deuteronomy 6:) Parents were to teach the children at home. Both Israelite males and females could read and write from an early age. We are grandparents who are homeschooling our 7 year old grandson. He is spending 2 to 3 hours a day "in school". He has been diagnosed with severe ADHD, a learning disability. However, recent testing shows that he is placing 2 full grade levels higher than the children in public schools. We have the K-12 program here also which helps home school families with curriculum guides and materials if they need it. We would never have sent our children to public school if we could taught them at home. I hope parents realize what is happening to their kids in school before they lose them.
b (guest)  -  March 27, 2007, 23:55
The Deuteronomy quote is scarcely a description of how best to organise the American public schooling system. Saying it shouldn't exist at all (ie be replaced w/home schooling) would seem to dodge the question entirely.
!!! dont care !!! (guest)  -  March 29, 2007, 00:34
like i care that bullshit but i admit that surprised me......
Bobby (guest)  -  April 8, 2007, 08:39
This is all BY DESIGN. Find out why at America MUST fail for World Government to succeed.
pre (guest)  -  April 10, 2007, 19:12
what the hell does fucking religion have to do with education - take your fucking god elsewhere you dumb fucks
Keith (guest)  -  April 14, 2007, 06:39
sadly we know you're not the pre that says the exact opposite of this guest. ~POSER~ but yeah regardless I agree with him completely
RMB (guest)  -  July 7, 2007, 01:12
One issue that this video did NOT address is any possible motivation for having a shoddy school system that produces graduates who can't even read. Again, it all boils down to money. Specifically, it is in the best interests of those who have the money (and therefore power) to have an uninformed, uneducated populace. If people are brought up to be dumb, apathetic sheep, then they are much easier to control and keep in check. An educated electorate is dangerous to corporate America and career politicians. Wise up. P.S. Countries like Finland sound like utopias, but consider that Finland's population is also less than that of Los Angeles, their taxes are incredibly high, and they have one of the highest suicide rates in the world...
neil (guest)  -  July 31, 2007, 01:56
now, if only you people knew that usa is deliberately doing this to make its people easier to control.
AnastasiaBray (guest)  -  November 1, 2011, 00:25
If you are willing to buy real estate, you would have to get the business loans. Moreover, my mother commonly takes a financial loan, which is the most rapid.

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